it's not like us at all. they're horrified at the fact that america has guns. >> there's not an accident that in new york city murders have gone down by almost 90%. >> stop and frisk. >> stop and frisk. >> but they take away the gun. >> there's more to the than that. >> it's the kind of environment that there's really an atmosphere, in fact, a legal atmosphere, we don't really want that many guns around. >> john, we know the mayor of new york doesn't want any guns. >> this is terrorism. >> hunters, perhaps. >> this is terrorism of its own particular sort. if parents are afraid to send their children to school, you're afraid to go to a shopping mall, and every man you see in a ski cap is a danger -- snow a distinguished black journalist in washington, a columnist who heard a fracas outside his front door, thought to have guns in their home. john, half the men in america, half the in two. when in doubt, punt. >> the u.s. chamber of commerce represents the interests of more than 3 million businesses. small shops